Dadashri: These scientists asked me if all this meant that God did not exist. I told them that if God did not exist, there would be no experience of pleasure or pain for anyone in this world and therefore, God definitely exists. They asked me where God lives. I asked them where they thought he lived. They pointed towards the sky. I asked them where exactly was he to be found, what his precise address was and whether one could mail a letter to him. They did not know. I told them there is absolutely no one up there.
I have seen in my enlightened state that there is no one up there. I have looked for God there, but there is nobody up there, only the vast, open sky. Nobody lives up there. When they asked me for God’s correct address, I told them to write this statement down, “God is in every creature whether, visible or invisible. Not in creation.”
This record player is a manmade creation. God does not reside in any manmade things. God is present in all things that are naturally created. Therefore, God resides in every creature whether visible or invisible. There are infinite invisible creatures between you and me, which cannot be seen even under a microscope. God resides in all of them. Now what does God do? He only gives light to every living being. How you utilize that light is up to you. Whether you do good deeds like charity, or bad deeds like stealing, the responsibility is solely yours. Use this light for whatever purpose you want to.
You too, believe that he is up there don’t you? But there is no one up there. It is your wrong belief that someone is up there. I have come to reveal to you that all these beliefs are wrong and unless this is openly declared, things can never be resolved. All your wrong beliefs and confusion will remain. Traditional beliefs will not die.
Dadashri: A child will say, “God made this.” Even a renowned holy man will say, “God made this.” This is a worldly viewpoint. It is not however, the Real viewpoint.
If God was the creator, then he would perpetually become our boss and there would be no such thing as liberation. But there is liberation. God is not the creator of this world. People who understand liberation will never accept God as a creator. Liberation and God as a ‘creator’ are two contradictory statements. ‘Creator’ is someone who does you a permanent favor and if God is such an entity, then you will always be indebted to him. As your creator, God will always be your boss and you will always be his subordinate. Even when you attain liberation he will be your superior, will he not?
Questioner: Yes, he will be our superior permanently.
Dadashri: Yes, he becomes our permanent ‘boss’ and therefore there is no salvation. Then liberation cannot be called ‘liberation’. Instead the ‘liberation’ with one’s wife would be better! At least you can enjoy her cooking, even if at times she insults you. Even with insults, such ‘liberation’ is preferable.
Then, Who Made God?
If we were to say that God is the creator in reality, then the logical question to ask would be, “Then who made God?” So many different questions would arise. People come and tell me, “We think that God is the ‘doer’ in this world and you are saying that this is not the case, but it is difficult for us to accept this.” At that time I ask them, “If I accept that God is the ‘doer’ of things, then who made this God? Tell me this much, who created the creator of this world? ” It is simply a logical statement that if there is a creator, then there has to be yet another creator of this creator. There would be no end to this. Therefore, such talk is really incorrect.
Neither A Beginning, Nor An End To This World
All this has come about without anybody creating it. Nobody has created it. Since nobody has created it, whom do we ask about it? I too, was searching for the one who had created such a chaotic mess and taken on such a liability. I looked everywhere for that person, but never found him anywhere.
I asked these scientists to discuss with me their evidence that God indeed had created this world. I asked them in which year it was created. They drew a blank. I then asked them whether the world had a beginning or not. They replied that there was a beginning. If there is a creator, then there has to be a beginning. If there is a beginning, then there has to be an end. In fact, this world is anadi-anant (no beginning-no end). This world carries on without an end. Therefore, there is neither a beginning nor an end. If there is no beginning, then there is no creator.
